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Yum, but where's Adrienne's? Heh.

Absurd. My top ten, in order: 1. Di Fara (then ten thousand feet of space, then) 2. Totonno's (Coney Island) 3. UPN 4. Gnocco 5. Adriennes 6. Luzzo's 7. John's 8. DeNino's 9. Franny's 10. Vinny Vincenz

I'd like to nominate No. 2 pencils for our top 10 list of the best writing instruments. Watermelon is easily the best member of the Cucurbitacae family. Oh, and despite what you may have heard elsewhere, white is still the best color for toilet paper. Last time I checked, pizza in Syracuse was about as good as the SU football team. I can't even name 10 pizza joints in the Salt City. I can't name 10 football players, either.

Seltzerboy, you should learn to take a joke. As far as pizza in Syracuse goes, everything is relative, therefore, capable of being ranked. It's something fun to do; not to be taken too seriously. Thanks for the reply via the message board instead of an email.

kudos to this bubbles character for at least trying to rate pizza in NYC and the Cuse as it has generated some good debate and spirited discourse. He seems to have nailed Manhattan and Crooklyn and I would also query this forum on the best pizza in Queens (Nicks?) Staten (Deninos?) and The Bronx ? As a newcomer to Gotham I would also ask if it is necessary to venture to New Haven to try Frank Pepe - inquiring minds want to know !

Actually, as I said in my E-mail response (written before my original posting here), which may well have gotten lost in cyberspace along with your "manifesto," I would love to see your musings on Syracuse pizza, precisely because I've never given it much thought. I guess it just hasn't been the same since Archie's closed to make way for Starbucks. That was a joke, by the way. And no, I don't have a list of the top 10 stores to be shuttered by Starbucks. But Zagat might. In my day there were two stationary Winnebagos with various offerings of cheap, fast foods: Ali Baba (between Sadler and the Dome) and Ziggy's on the east side of Dellplain. The pizza from those two--along with everything else--was wretched. It's amazing what drunken college students will eat for a buck. Now they've got Kimmel open half the night, which has Pizza Hut. Not sure which was worse. Needless to say, I'm a bit ignorant on the finer side of Syracuse pizza. By all means, please share your manifesto. On my next trip to the white north, I may even forgo settling for the Marshall Street fare.

Bubbles, are you high? L&B and Vinny Vincenz aren't even in the same universe. L&B DOESN'T HAVE CHEESE ON IT. IT'S NOT EVEN PIZZA. Josh

i already said SI (nor BX or queens) wasn't included so the list can't be completely exhaustive. I would welcome an SI trip with fellow pie-lovers or a list (they can serve some purpose for novices looking to immerse themselves in the local culture, Seltzerlad) of some SI-pie highlights. Cutlets, you again expose your NY-pie ignorance when you mention L&B as cheeseless as anyone with any taste (both meanings of the word) knows that their top notch mozz is on the bottom, a layer below the sauce.

with all due respect m. cutlets. historically, "sicilian" doesn't have mozzarella at all, so spumoni gardens is traditional. as an italian american girl who grew up in brooklyn's pizza heydey -- the 1970s -- when you could get a decent slice (a slice which would now be deemed "fantastic") on the way home from any school or under any train station, difara's is merely the formerly standard pizza slice of any pizzeria in the brooklyn of the 70s -- you know, the brooklyn that was black, italian, chinese and jewish (not a midwesterner to be found). however, even in this now extinct pizza utopia, certain places were acknowledged as particularly excellent -- totonno's among them. ddm makes a nice pie, but it is a different species from totonno's. the dough alone is worth a small doctoral dissertation. also, doesn't totonno's us a brick or wood burning oven? compare that with a gasburning bari's - nuh-uh.

My Top Ten [in reverse order] 10) Ray's 9) Ray Bari's 8) Original Ray's 7) Famous Ray's 6) Famous Original Ray's 5) Not-So Famous Ray's 4) Not-So Famous or Original Ray's 3) Infamous Ray's 2) Infamous and Unoriginal Ray's 1) Pizza Hut [Midtown West -- Shoutout!!]

tremendous discussion in recent days by DJ Bubbles, Veal Cutlets, Jim Boeheim wannabe Seltzer Boy, etc - as an insider I know that Slice NY staffers pull good salaries for keeping this site going. Kudos for a job well done !

finally got around to reading bubble boy's list. i think he makes some fine points particularly with respect to patsy's & lavilla. i don't think patsy's pizza is particularly great, but how they get that uber-garlicy essence when you ask for garlic is beyond me. never been attained by anyone else. as far as lavilla -- i like the one in bergen beach which is much more italian-y. i can't get enough of the youth of my people -- very dumb, but fundamentally very attractive in their undershirts and nail extensions. i understand there is a la villa -- according to mama barry, a wellspring of pizza info herself -- in howard beach. i would imagine the pies there are pretty good too. i must say mommy knows her pizza well, having had her wedding shower in the 1950s at "the pizza bowl" on ave x near ocean avenue. great pizza place: picnic tables in the backyard and booths in the restaurant (checkered tables over everything). this is the kind of place that would have people treking from all boroughs if it was around today.

Good stuff, Mr. Cutlets. I will have to give Gnocco, Luzzo, Adrienne's and good ol Arturro's a try this weekend. That's right, all this weekend; you could say that I'm 'in it to win it'! Who's with me? Selterbomb? Veal Cutlets? The preeminent pie mind of our generation, Adam Kuban? Ed Levine, you out there? Anyone up for a pieoff??? I'm a one-man army over here, guys! We need to form a NYC-pie coalition! Piemen of the world, unite!

luzzo's was better when it was that other place that used be part of that place on bleecker street -- the italian bakery that had the good italian bread (particularly whole wheat), what the hell was it called? not rocco's. now they weigh down the pizza with too much stuff on top. only americans think this is the sign of a good pizza. o i remember now. ZITO's.

My Top Ten 1)L&B Spumoni Gardens(because Tony Soprano says so!!!) 2)Rosa's Maspeth 3)Rizzo's 4)DiFara 5)Gino's 6)Pizza Sam 7)Nonno's 8)Regina Pizza 9)Pizza Boy 10)Famous Pizza

Wooooah wooooah wooooah! I'm sorry, but both Lombardis and Grimaldis are almost inedible. Their pizza is horrible beyond belief. Both of them are tourist oriented pizza factories and they should not be on that list. BTW, I think San Marco in the Italian bit of Williamsburg (which isn't 99% hipster... YET) deserves a spot in the lower rungs. They've got a good pie and their prices are way more reasonable than any of the 10 up there.

L&B is only good after midnight with lots of friends. I'm obviously referring to their squares. There is cheese on there, it's under the sauce. And guys, that stuff isn't even remotely close to foccacia. I lived in Genova for almost two years and I am STILL trying to replicate Genovese foccacia without luck. I miss it :(

get una pizza napoletana off there. They are lucky to be a top 30 pizza in the city.