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Peppe's Pizza & Panini

Or, 'This Is Where You're Ordering Pizza From Now, Park Slope'

Peppe's Pizza & Panini (by Slice)

Peppe's Pizza & Panini

Address: 597 Fourth Avenue, Brooklyn NY 11215 (b/n 17th and 18th streets, Park Slope; map)
Phone: 718-788-7333
Website: peppepizzapanini.com
Oven Type: Gas-fired, steel-deck oven
Hours: 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. daily
Payment: Cash and cards
Price: $16 for large plain pie (18 inches); $12 for small (12 inches)
Recommended Options: Order the plain pie and ask for a mixture of regular mozz, fresh mozz, and the imported Pecorino-Romano.
The Skinny: This newcomer to the Park Slope pizza scene is being compared to Di Fara, and while that side-by-side is a little premature, it offers a stand-up pie that's miles beyond that of any conventional-oven pizzeria currently operating in the neighborhood. If you live in the Slope, this is your new go-to delivery pizzeria.

Fresh Mozz Pie from Peppe's Pizza and Pasta (by Slice)

A whole pie with fior di latte (fresh mozzarella). The lighting in my kitchen blows, so this doesn't look as good as it tastes.

When I founded Slice a little more than four years ago, the irony of ironies was that my own neighborhood, Park Slope, was a veritable wasteland of pizza goodness.

Over the years, some good, some very good, and some downright great options have emerged.

Even so, apart from visits to Franny's on special occasions or delivery orders placed solely to stave off hunger when all other late-night options are closed, I hardly look forward to eating pizza in the neighborhood.

Enter Peppe's Pizza & Panini, which actually has me excited again about Park Slope pies and slices.

I first heard about Peppe's when Slice reader Mark H. emailed me about it a couple weeks ago and included a link to a thread on Chowhound that at the time consisted of only the original poster. (By the time I left the office at 7:30 p.m. that night, someone had chimed in on the thread asking the inevitable "how does it compare to Di Fara?" question.)

Peppe's Pizza & Panini (by Slice)

A plain slice with regular mozzarella and a grandma slice. (Corner piece—score!)

I hightailed it there after work that night, ready to dismiss the Di Fara comparison. (I mean, come on!) But after trying a reheated slice, then a small made-to-order pie on the strength of that one slice—and then a few more pies here and there over the last couple of weeks—I can see where the Chowhounders are going with that comparison.

The crust is crisp and bready, with nice hole structure and springiness at the edges. Unlike run-of-the-mill slice joints, there's some character to this foundation. It's not a perfect, soulless circle or a barely browned disk. There's some evidence of the handmade about it and some nice color to it, to boot. My only complaint is that it could stand some more salt, as it suffers from blandness once you get to the end crust.

The sauce (made from canned imported San Marzano tomatoes) tastes as fresh as you'd want it to be. It's reminiscent of the bright, fresh-tasting, lightly seasoned sauces used by the coal-oven giants—a sauce that lets the flavor of the tomatoes shine.

And the cheese, well, this is where I think much of the Di Fara comparison both stems from and breaks down.

Half Sausage, Half Plain from Peppe's Pizza & Pasta (by Slice)Like Dom DeMarco at Di Fara, Peppe's pizza-maker sprinkles on a liberal amount of sharp aged cheese—in this case, Romano instead of DeMarco's grana padano. It adds a tangy flavor that serves as a nice counterpoint to the more subtle sauce, and its sharp saltiness makes up for the lack of salinty elsewhere.

Unlike Dom, however, Peppe's uses Grandé brand pizza cheese, which is probably the best commercial cheese you're going to find before you start getting into Di Fara territory with locally made cheeses or expensive imported Italian options. Peppe's keeps a number of the Grandé cheeses on hand: regular mozzarella (i.e., the yellow stuff, not the white, fresh stuff), fior di latte (the white, fresh stuff), and a domestic Romano.

Additionally, owner Peppe Salvitti keeps in house a very good, real Pecorino-Romano (imported from Italy and made of sheep's milk, as opposed to Grandé's less-sharp cow's milk Romano) that he uses in salads and on the Peppe Pie (mozzarella, prosciutto, tomato sauce, Pecorino-Romano, arugula). Just ask, and he's more than willing to sub the Italian Romano for the domestic. And, my friends, it makes a world of difference; the sharp, grainy cheese totally carries a cold morning-after slice.

Between the sauce and the cheese, Pepe's pizzaman, Mike, lays down a healthy dose of fresh basil, which also gives the slice or pie a pleasant, slightly pungent note.

I hate comparing the place to Di Fara, though. Especially since the web-savvy Salvitti, who has closely followed the Chowhound thread on his pizzeria, says he's not trying to be the next Dom DeMarco. The ingredients required, he says, would make for a more costly slice or pie, and he's not sure if his clientele will pony up for it yet—especially at a place that's barely two months old.

Peppe's Pizza & Panini (by Slice)

Above: A pie with a cheese blend of regular mozzarella, fresh mozz, and imported Pecorino-Romano. Below right: The Slice patented upskirt shot.

Peppe's Pizza & Panini Upskirt (by Slice)He did talk about trying a similar cheese blend—one that approximates the Di Fara formula, using the Grandé regular mozzarella with some fresh mozz mixed in, followed by the Italian Pecorino-Romano. And, he's amenable to making such a pie for you if you ask for it. I did so the last time I ordered delivery and was impressed with the result. It's going to become my baseline pie order there.

For all the strengths of this pie, one weakness (apart from the aforementioned lack of saltiness in the dough) has been the varying doneness of the crust. Most times I've gotten pies cooked through perfectly with beautiful color on the end crust and in the upskirt view (right), but once or twice I've gotten an undercooked crust, and Raphael, a colleague here at Slice–Serious Eats HQ who also lives in Peppe's delivery range, has reported the same. (Though he tells me that over the weekend he ordered a pie—with the Italian Pecorino-Romano—and it was cooked perfectly.)

The Pizzaman Behind the Pizzaman

Peppe's Pizza & Panini (by Slice)The real magic behind Peppe's pies comes courtesy of "Mike Pizzaman" (right) as he's billed on the site. And it's the kind of story that sells nicely. Peppe had orginally planned to open an Italian sandwich shop, but a friend convinced him to take the space he's in now, which was outfitted as a pizzeria. The friend advised him to do the sandwich thing and hire a pizzaiolo to do the pizza thing. In talking to Peppe, it almost seemed as if pizza were an afterthought, and in fact, he says he's never made pizza in a commercial setting.

And then along comes Mike. Mike had recently moved back to Brooklyn after having spent 20-some years in Allentown, Pennsylvania, running a number of pizzerias in the area, including one inside Dorney Park. Mike lives nearby and was passing the pizzeria en route to a job interview when he stopped in to chat with Peppe pre-opening. They get to talking, Peppe learns about Mike's pizza background, finds out he's in the job market, and boom! he's got himself a pizzaiolo.

Peppe's Pizza & Panini (by Slice)Peppe's take on things is to let Mike run with it. And that hands-off policy gives Mike free rein to invent some wild pies, among them a stuffed pizza (right) that was actually pretty good. (I'm generally not a fan of stuffed pies.) But he's got the basics down pat so there's no need to worry about the whole affair devolving into the salad- or pasta-topped pizza madness of Famous-Original-Ray's-Famous proportions.

Friendly Service

In talking to Mike and Peppe, it's clear that both these guys love food, know what's good, and care deeply about their menu items and their customers. And they're not shy about sharing that enthusiasm with you. Walk in and chat a bit, and they'll likely give you samples of some fresh homemade soup that Mike cooks up on a small stove to the left of the pizza oven. (The chicken soup was especially good and tasted like my mom's.)

If you're there while they're brewing espresso—in one of those little Moka Express pots—you'll likely be treated to an after-slice shot. On the occasions I've gotten delivery, Peppe himself has driven the pizzas to my door, along with a complimentary bottle of soda. Raphael tells similar stories of freebie sodas.

Peppe's Interior (by Slice)

A hacked-together composite photo of Peppe's interior. The blurred dude is a Chowhounder who read about Peppe's on that site; he's been blurred because I didn't ask his permission to post his mug on this site.

I've ordered delivery more than I've eaten in simply because the place is small. There are no tables here, just a shallow bar along the front and at one side of the dining area, with maybe six stools total. For such a small space, though, it's well put together and clean (above)—a welcome relief after stepping in from this otherwise grungey part of Fourth Avenue between 17th and 18th streets. The framed history of pizza Margherita, Italian movie stills, and requisite Sinatra mugshot are nice touches, too.

Other Menu Items

Fried Calzone from Peppe's Pizza and Pasta (by Slice)This being a pizza blog, I've not really sampled the panini end of the Peppe's spectrum. I've had a prosciutto-ricotta panini that was good but that sat all by its lonesome after a couple bites, in favor of the pizza.

I can, however, recommend the calzones. They're maybe a touch too bready, but they're deep-fried, which gives them a crisp-chewy texture. I've had the ricotta-and-mozzarella variety, with a little sauce mixed in and extra sauce on the side for dipping. It's probably one of the better deals on the menu, at $5 for a calzone that's about 12 inches on its longest side.

Park Slope, if you're looking for your new go-to pizza or take-out place, this is it.

31 Comments:

any info on the coverage area for delivery?

Just call and ask. Peppe didn't seem to have one set in stone when I asked him.

Great post today! Very descriptive with lots of drool factor :) Let's see, how many miles is Indiana from Brooklyn....

Adam I always love your pizza photography. Take a lamp with a decent bulb in it and take the shade off for added light behind you.
I miss good pizza. In my part of Penciltucky we have but one good pizza place and the pizza is only good if one of the Escalade brothers is in. (the brothers are from Italy and both drive Escalades) Often the mexican, hondourian, el salvadorian kitchen crew makes the sauce and its not quite right. If I drive by and one of the Escalades is there I know the sauce is right.

Looks wonderful, and I am sure those who are not loyal Sally fans can pretend they're on Wooster Street and not in Brooklyn. (FYI "fior di latte" is made from the milk of ordinary cows vs. bufale; all mozzarella is fresh, but strictly speaking, it's produced only from the milk of water buffalo. These guys are making a distinction most Americans do not.)

Erratum: I didn't read you closely enough, Adam. It sounds as if the cheese supplier or Peppe's is making a distinction between Italian-style cheeses that's unfamiliar to me. I'm guessing the difference is between the only kind of mozzarella we used to be able to buy--that comes in one big ball wrapped tightly in plastic--vs. the kind suspended in water and often sold in little plastic containers labeled "fresh mozzarella", often in little neighborhood Italian stores or the farmer's market. Both are really fior di latte. (Now I want pizza instead of my bowl of pumpkin soup!)

Yeah. I think it's just what Grandé calls the "fresh" stuff suspended in water.

I never quite know how to make the distinction between "fresh mozzarella" and the Polly-O type stuff that's sorta yellowy and that you typically get in the non-fancy cheese case at the supermarket. I call that stuff (the Polly-O type stuff) regular mozzarella, since that seems to be the going term at pizzerias that use both.

Ed Levine here calls it aged mozzarella, but I've never been comfortable using that term myself because it makes it sound like some sort of fine, aged cheese — more like a Parmiggiano-Regiano than the run-of-the-mill mozz everyone's used to.

A photo of the Grandma slice... A caption along with that... But no review of the Grandma! What gives? I thought it was perhaps better than the regular slice (although I didn't do any special cheese requests, so I guess I probably haven't had the regular slice at it's best).

What did you think?

OrsonRP: I'll go back and focus on the grandma slice. I must confess that I ate it rather quickly and failed to take notes (actual or mental). I do recall it having a nice garlicky flavor and that it was sauced a bit more than the regular. It was definitely worth eating and seemed to be above and beyond the grandma slices or Sicilians at other pizzerias, where squares are often an afterthought.

Looking at the picture again, my memory is jogged and I remember why I didn't pay that much attention. It's when I started eating the grandma slice that Mike came out from behind the counter and we started chatting. So at that point, my mental note-taking facility switched to Q&A and finding out where he learned to make pies. And I didn't want to take an upskirt in front of him, so I wasn't able to document the bottom of that slice -- though you can see the nice color it has at its edges.

Adam: I nominate you for a Pulitzer in Pizza Journalism. This review is your shining moment. You have captured the essence of the joint:
the product, the history, the people involved. Excellent photography.
The rhythm and pace of your writing, leading to the concluding statement: "...this is it" is pizza journalism at its best.

On a personal level, I have now made two trips to Peppe's, the second of which with my better half. We agree that the sauce is the thing here: the garlic content distinguishes it from other sauces. We also agree that the personalities involved (Peppe and Mike) add to the attraction of the place.
The grandma's pie is outstanding. There is an inverse relationship, however, between the number of toppings and quality: a veggie pie became a bit watery, owing to the water content of the veggies.
Stick to grandma's, otherwise, one topping at a time (shrooms, spinach or eggplant are excellent choices).

One comment about the Chowhound thread: at last count, there were more than 60 posts on the Peppe's thread. I declared an embargo on further posts once some contributors got into esoteric discussions about "pizza arcs," predicting Peppe's downfall long before most even became aware of the joint. A little too analytical for my tastes.

Thanks, famdoc! Kind words, indeed, but I likely would have missed this place without your tip. Thanks!

Yeah. I saw your request for a moratorium when I looked at the thread again last night and this morning. I'm not a huge follower of Chowhound, but I know what they're getting at with the arc.

I tried this place a couple of weeks ago and wasn't very impressed. I remember it from it's previous incarnation when it was a dump with dollar slices and, after that, when it was shuttered with a sign out front announcing that a new place was going to open with "real Italians making the pizza" (not something that really matters to me, btw). While it's clearly better than it was then, it isn't nearly good enough to make me pretend that I was on Wooster st. (h/t Eliz). I only tried the regular slice and it was no better than one from an average pizzeria with a bit of fresh basil dropped onto it. Half the slice was endcrust, leaving only a few bites that were even close to having the proper balance (and even those were off -- I could barely taste sauce or cheese, only crust and basil). I know better than to judge a place based on one visit so I'll definitely stop in again the next time I'm in the neighborhood. I'll also make sure to try the grandma slice this time and will hope that I just got one from a bad/old slice pie.

One thought I had about the Di Fara mention -- aren't Peppe's prices pretty much the same? I'm not a full member of the Dom cult like a lot of people around these parts and haven't been there since they reopened but I seem to remember him charging around 16 bucks for a pie. I guess there are scale issues that could account for the difference, it just seemed like an odd comparison.

Don't get me wrong, I really appreciate what these guys are trying to do and that they are putting care into the food, I just don't think they are there yet, or at least they weren't when I was there (for the benefit of those who read through the Chowhound thread, it was a Thursday, not a Monday).

On a more general note, I second famdoc's praise. You always do a great job giving us a feel for the places you review. Without you and Ed, I can't imagine that I'd be trying to figure out an excuse to go to Trenton just so I could sneak in a tomato pie.

Yeah. Try it again, sloppy. It's sometimes underdone. I'll admit that the Di Fara comparison makes me uneasy. First because it's unfair to Peppe's and it's kind of an affront to Dom, saying that a 2-month old place is approaching 40+-year-old Di Fara in quality.

I think Peppe's is good right now. I think that if Peppe and Mike keep at it, it'll get even better. Right now, it's a really great conventional slice joint. It's not yet in the vaunted leagues of Di Fara, of course. I think it's the kind of place that every neighborhood would be happy to have.

About the prices: Looking at a recent photo of Di Fara's menu, Dom's charging $17 for a regular pie. So, yeah, the prices at Peppe's are approaching that. I will say in Peppe's defense that his pie is quite a bit larger than Di Fara's. I'm guessing Dom's making at 16-inch pie, while Peppe's really is about 18 inches.

Good point about the size, that pie is a beast and barely even fits in the box. I'll definitely try it out again when I'm back there and let you know how it turns out..it would be just my luck that a good slice place opens up RIGHT after I move out of the neighborhood.

Those Di Fara pics really got my appetite going....

@sloppy: I forgot to thank you for the kind words in your 12:13 p.m. comment. Thanks!

Just found your blog. I love the concept (as I also love pizza). I'm all for good pizza in The Slope!

Do you have any info on the place that's opening at 3rd Ave and 9th St? I've heard it might be owned by the same guy who owns Bar Toto.

I agree with famdoc about the ridiculous "pizza arc" discussion over at Chowhound. A few denizens of that joint are way to overzealous about writing off new establishments after only one visit. There's a special place in hell reserved for them or ... better yet, maybe they can be forced to open a restaurant and see how they feel when they get the same petty, spiteful treatment.

(Rant over)

I've had the good fortune of sampling Peppe's offerings twice and came away very happy both times. My first experience was a walk-in where I tried a square grandma slice, a square bruschetta slice and a regular slice. Both squares were several notches above what you get at most pizzerias. The crust was thin and crunchy, the ingredients were obviously top-notch and the sauce was delicious (especially on the bruschetta). The regular $2 slice, as others have noted, is nothing special, but that's not what you should go to Peppe's for. As an added bonus, the woman working behind the counter was very nice and when I was leaving she pointed out I had a little cheese stuck to my goatee. She said, "I don't want birds attacking your face when you leave." Very funny.

My next sampling occurred via a delivery. I ordered a small vegetali pie (mozz, red sauce, zucch & peppers) and my wife, who inexplicably is not a big pizza fan, ordered a chicken & vegetable (peppers, mush & zucch) panini. The pizza was fabulous. Perfect thin crust, not too oily (my biggest DiFara complaint aside from the ridiculous wait/disorganization) and just the right amount of veggies. Unlike Anthony's, the middle held up well via delivery. My wife declared her panini one of the best sandwiches she'd had in a while. Oh, and they even threw in a 2 liter bottle of Coke for free.

All in all, a great new place run by great people. I wish them nothing but the best and will be returning there soon.

Thanks for the review Adam. Went there tonight and had a great pie (the 18" pie was about 21"). But I had a spot of trouble finding the place as it isn't between 17th and 18th. Maybe 17th and Prospect? Mike is a great font of knowledge about where to shop for food in our neighborhood!

Nice review, Adam! I can't wait to make the journey from Astoria. The photos are mouthwatering! Thanks.

I tried Peppe's again last night and was much happier this time. As others have said, the chunks of garlic in the sauce on the grandma slice are a great touch. I also had a white slice with some veg toppings and, while parts of it did get a bit soggy from the toppings, everything was fresh and the rest of the crust had a nice snap to it. It's not my favorite style of pizza (I prefer it very thin with a little char, like they serve in New Haven) but it's easily better than any other slice place I've tried in Park Slope.

Norman -- you are correct, it is between Prospect & 17th.

There's no arc here: the grandma's pie is still outstanding. Sauce piquant, visible garlic, good char-to-crust ratio, quality cheese. This place is a winner.

I was looking forward to finding a decent joint in Park Slope after reading this review, but it was a huge letdown! I had a regular mushroom pie and while the ingredients are definitely above average, the crust was weirdly spongy, and not crispy at all. The crust also doesn't hold up well to the toppings and stuff slides off pretty easily. I can't recommend this place unless you live in the immediate neighborhood.

mrmunch: Maybe it was an off day? I've certainly had Peppe's on an off day (or night) but it's generally pretty good.

Went to Peppe last weekend and enjoyed our pizza very much!
Unfortunately, we just called for DELIVERY and they refused us because we were too far, and they wouldn't just deliver a PIE!
I spoke directly to the owner PEPPE , and told them that their menu clearly states a $10 minimum and when I asked them last weekend if they deliver to Union Street they said "Of Course"....
Now Peppe is telling me he "plays it by ear" when and where they want to deliver.
Now lets see, this place is TINY with 4 stools and a counter and MOST of their business is take out AND delivery, so wouldn't a smart business owner organize so that he had enough man power to deliver to all of Park Slope?

On the bright side, the very lovely and amazing MIKEY (the man who actually makes all that delicious pizza) called us just minutes ago to apologize! What a sweetheart! This man deserves his own pizza parlor!
I would follow him to any pizza joint!
Too bad! We were going to be a very regular customer!

Samersova - I live in Windsor Terrace (2 blocks from the Theater) and take it from me, NO restaurant from anywhere near Union St. delivers to the South Slope or the WT. Why would a 17th St. pizzeria perform differently in reverse?

Samersova's been spamming every message board she can find about not getting her delivery, even though as stated by joelpy, she's asking for a ridiculously huge delivery zone. If I were Peppe I'd be hugely happy I didn't have to serve her anything from my restaurant again.

I was in the mood for ordering pizza in tonight -- I like Anthony's, but wood-fired delivery leaves something to be desired. Thus, I decided to browse Slice, and thank-goodness! When I first moved to the 'hood Peppe's was not Peppe's and it had sub-par slices so I had avoided this place. The review convinced me to give it a try, and I'm glad.

The three cheese pizza arrived quickly and was piping hot. The crust was a perfect blend of crisp and chewy and the sauce and cheeses became a lovely tangy tomato-y goodness. The caprese salad is a nice mix of fresh mozzarella, cherry tomotoes, roasted red pepper and basil on a bed of mixed greens. Too top it all off, the man on the phone was delightful. Thank you Peppe's I will be ordering again!

well,ordered for the first time from this pizza shop,and i can honestly say that it's an experience i won't be repeating. pizza arrived very soggy,undercooked,the cheese floating on a layer of water that had nearly soaked through the bottom of the box. (i'm only 4 blocks away,btw) the dough in the middle of the pie was either very undercooked or had become so wet as to amount to the same thing. any attempt to eat it would have had to have been made with a spoon.

i know some people have raved about this place-i'm certainly not the most picky eater myself,esp when it comes to pizza,good enough is fine by me. but any place that would send out such an inedible mess and call it a pizza doesn't get a second chance in my book.

well,the owner of pepe's just gave me a call and apologized for last night's mess-he explained to me about his regular chef having to leave due to a family emergency,and offered to send over a free pizza to make up for the first. i'm glad he did,since this pizza was very tasty (and perfectly cooked) -a tiny little bit salty it seemed to me,but certainly not enough to take away from the overall quality. even the crust was good,and i generally don't even attempt to eat that part of the pie. obviously the management at pepe's does care about it's customers,as i've never had another establishment call me to apologize about poor quality food,much less send free food in an attempt to win me back as a customer. well,it worked. this kind of service is all too rare,and very much appreciated.

so i'll be giving pepe's another chance it seems,and i hope they keep up the good work,since i'd love to recommend them to my friends in the neighborhood.

You mention that one of the differnces is that Peppe's uses Grande cheese. Actually Dom at DiFara does use Grande whole milk low moisture aged mozzarella.

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