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Visiting New York City? 7 Must-Eat Pizzas You Should Try

Editor's note: In mid June, Slice reader Lance Roberts emailed me, asking if I'd help him complete his pizza itinerary. He was visiting New York City from Los Angeles, and he wanted to pack in as much pizza as he could—but only the best. I gave him some recs. He came, he ate, and then he wrote. What follows is a wonderful tale of 2.5 days of pizza mania. Buon appetito! —The Mgmt.

An N.Y.C. Pizza Tour from an L.A. Perspective

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As a Los Angeleno who grew up in Detroit, it's a little odd that I love pizza so much. Neither city is known for great pies, but as someone who fell in love with the stuff from an early age, I learned to make do. I grew up on Little Caesars, and when I turned 15, I got a job at Toarmina's Pizza in Michigan so I could learn how to make my own pies (and eat pizza five days a week).

When I reached the peak of my limited powers in the kitchen and was looking for better pizza, I took trips to Chicago, where I fell in love with deep dish. It took a few years of living in Los Angeles (and hitting up 50-some different places) to make me realize that thin crust was the way to go. I found some pizza I really liked liked. Then I climbed what I consider the Mount Everest of pizza—Pizzeria Bianco in Phoenix, where I hope someday to have my last meal.

Finally I felt like I "knew" pizza. But there was one big gap on my resume. I'd never had a slice in New York. That all changed earlier this month.

With Adam Kuban's help and some suggestions from Slice fans and friends, I made up a very aggressive itinerary designed to give me the best pizza New York City had to offer. Whenever I try a new place I get a plain cheese or Margherita pie to get a baseline, so it was only fair I practiced the same methodology in New York (with a few exceptions). The results of the experiment? To put it mildly, my head nearly exploded. After the jump, seven of New York's best pizzas—and one real stinker.

Saturday

John's of Bleecker

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John's had the benefit of being first, but it's also a style of pizza I have a real soft spot for: lots of robust, tasty red sauce and loads of globby cheese. I loved it. I know the history behind the place, but to me John's serves the greatest mom-and-pop pie in the universe. The cheese in particular had a lot of flavor—very salty and bold. I don't know the mix of what goes in there, but we don't have anything like it in L.A. or at any other pizzeria I've been to. John's was the last-minute add to the itinerary, so when I liked it as much as I did, I knew I had a great couple days in front of me. 278 Bleecker Street, New York NY 10014 (at Jones Street; map)

Una Pizza Napoletana

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"Integrity" is the buzz word at UPN. It's on the wall, it's on the shirts, and it's undoubtedly in the pizza. I was interested in comparing it to the other titans of new pizza, Pizzeria Bianco in Phoenix and Mozza in L.A. It stands tall. A big knock on Mozza is that it's not real pizza. That's not the case at UPN; if anything, it's pizza in its purest form. The naturally leavened dough had a rustic taste I've never experienced before, and the ingredients were fresh, delicious, and completely balanced. Still, as good as it was, it didn't top the mind-blowing pies I've had at Pizzeria Bianco. Not that it mattered. Anthony Mangieri is making exactly what he wants, and it's spectacular. UPN may not be the best pizza I've had, but it was probably the most authentic, and the experience of being in a true temple of pizza was one I won't soon forget. 349 East 12th Street, New York NY 10003 (at First Avenue; map)

Artichoke

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My wife and I boozed it up with some friends until 2:30 a.m., and one of the more sober natives led everyone over to Artichoke. They had three pies rolling for slices: tomato-basil, the signature artichoke-spinach, and crab. That crab pie just didn't look right so my wife and I split a couple tomato slices and an artichoke. The fact that none of it tasted that good after 8 beers was a very clear sign that something was not right. That said, the size and girth of the slices probably saved me from a serious hangover and made the following day—one of the most memorable of my life—possible. 328 East 14th Street, New York NY 10003 (b/n First and Second avenues; map)

Sunday

Totonno's

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It might just be me, but when I saw all the auto repair shops in Coney Island, I knew I was going to be in good shape. My intuition was right. It was great. The majesty of the coal-oven crust, the chewy, blistery goodness—you guys are so lucky. And the ingredients were spare but blended together perfectly. I would eat silently for five minutes, then spend five talking about how good it was, then eat for another five. How in the hell is the sauce and cheese in New York so different from anywhere else? And I know it's a cliché to talk up the "colorful staff," but they were almost too good to be real. 1524 Neptune Avenue, Brooklyn NY 11224 (b/n West 15th and West 16th streets; map)

Di Fara

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Ten of the best minutes of my life were spent inside Di Fara. I had never seen pictures of the interior or Dom DeMarco, so you can imagine my surprise when all of a sudden I'm two feet away from the master himself as he grated cheese and constructed pies. Dom pulled a fresh cheese pie out of the oven and cut a bushel of fresh basil over it before asking if anyone wanted slices. The pies there are sizable, and I didn't want to write a check my stomach couldn't cash so we jumped at the slices. A minute later I was enjoying my favorite pizza of the weekend. The mixture of cheeses, the gobs of olive oil, the crackery crust—pizza at a higher level.

But however great the pizza was (and it was), I was most struck by the experience of being able to watch DeMarco do his life's work while I ate the fruits of his labor. It took Di Fara to another level for me. After enjoying the best slices of the weekend, I got back in line, and after a few minutes I walked out empty-handed. I had experienced perfection and there was no sense in pushing my luck. Plus I had two more pizzas and a dinner reservation waiting on me. I needed to have discipline if I was going to get through the day. I've gone back and forth since, wondering if I was right to leave or if I made a huge mistake. The only thing comforting me is that I now have a reason to get back to New York as soon as possible. 1424 Avenue J, Brooklyn NY 11230 (at East 15th Street; map)

Franny's

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Adam suggested the clam pie, but they weren't on the menu so we got the Margherita and the house-made sausage. Both were fantastic. There isn't much to critique since they were probably the most balanced out of all the pizza I had, yet they were somehow a little less memorable than some of the others. Part of it was that Franny's doesn't have the history of Di Fara or Totonno's, but part of it was that it all seemed so effortless. Great pizza shouldn't look that easy. That said, if we had something like Franny's in Los Angeles, I would be there twice a week. 295 Flatbush Avenue, Brooklyn NY 11217 (b/n Prospect Place and St. Marks Avenue; map)

Lucali

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Everything about Lucali was almost too perfect. Though I know it's somewhat new, the building had the character of a place that had been there forever. The space was small and softly lit and the exposed (and breathtakingly beautiful) oven and kitchen made it feel even more intimate. Toss in a waitstaff that couldn't be more Brooklyn (or at least my idea of it) and chef Mark Iacono, who looks like he walked out of an Italian movie, and you're off to a great start.

And then the pizza came. It was so, so great. Sauce in New York is on another level from what I'm used to, but Lucali was the one place where I found myself looking for pieces with no cheese and lots of red. I could go on and on, but the fact that it tasted so good following Totonno's, Di Fara, and Franny's says enough.

We ate quickly because we had to rush back to the hotel and change for dinner at Peter Luger—but that's for another site. 575 Henry Street, Brooklyn NY 11231 (b/n Carroll Street and 1st Place; map)

Monday Afternoon

Patsy's

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We had time to get one more place in before getting on a plane. And after reading about DJ Bubbles' love for it, I felt strongly that it should be Patsy's. I'm really happy I made the trip. Coal-oven pizza is a luxury New Yorkers take for granted, and Patsy's was what I hoped the quintessential New York pie would be. A friend the night before suggested I get the sausage, and it only added to what was a truly great pie. While it probably wasn't my favorite in New York, a even a "slipping" Patsy's destroys anything L.A. has to offer (sans Mozza, but Mozza's not pizza, remember?). Knowing that great pizza was going to be a memory in a few hours, you can bet your ass I finished off the pie before I got on the plane. 2287 First Avenue, New York NY 10035 (b/n East 117th and East 118th streets; map)

In Conclusion

If you live in New York, you don't know how good you have it. I used to get so annoyed with guys from New York and New Jersey throwing their weight around and telling me that there's no good pizza anywhere else but there. They're not exactly right (the best pizza in the country is still in Phoenix), but they're very, very close. New York pizza is on another level than L.A., Detroit—even Chicago. The ingredients are superior, the wood and coal ovens are a pipeline to greatness, and the history and tradition put the experience over the top. But in the end I think the real key is the man in front of the oven. At Mozza, line cooks are making the pies. The guys at UPN, Di Fara, Lucali, and some other joints in New York aren't on the clock. They're people who have their whole lives invested in their pizza. Believe me, you can taste it in the food.

Chris Bianco may still be my personal pizza god and savior, but New York City (and Brooklyn, in particular) is truly the Kingdom of Pizza Heaven. It's a good thing heaven is only 3,000 miles away.

Editor's note: And I had to pop back in again to say WOW. That Sunday itinerary looked amazing, Lance. But more important, I never imagined when I started Slice that anyone would ever listen to my blatherings about pizza much less take my advice on where to eat it here. That you did, and that most of these places worked out for you, really makes editing Slice worthwhile. I'm really happy you had a good time eating some of what New York does best. —Adam

48 Comments:

I am so happy you didn't list my favorite joint, which is better than at least three of the ones you have listed here.

C'mon, Simon. We share our treasures here. Maybe the wait will get longer but you'll be waiting with us!

I used to live by Patsy's and miss it immensely. I now live closer to Franny's and LOVE their pies ... I now have the quintessential list to provide people with when they ask me about NYC pizzerias, thanks!

Great review of the weekend. I completely agree with your Artichoke opinion. It's massively overrated, just large heavy slices.

What? No Grimaldi's???

Next time you should make it up to Mount Vernon for some Johnny's. I went just two weeks ago and fell in love.

Also, Staten Island has amazing pies.

I also totally agree with your assessment of Artichoke. I don't understand the appeal...

The absence of Grimaldi's on this list speaks for its integrity. A noble effort, nobly pursued, and naievly short of the mark.

Good article, but I dunno, Detroit's pizza is extremely good. With Little Caesar's, Domino's, Buddy's, Hungry Howie's, etc., Detroit-style pizza can easily compete with other cities.

Yeah, I've heard nothing but bad reactions to the crab slice at Artichoke. Personally I found the artichoke slice to be interesting but not really "pizza" in its purest form. The round slice I've had there is flawed because the sauce is way too sweet. I've been told that the square slice is the way to go, but I haven't braved the lines in order to get it.

I'm surprised that you John's of Bleecker pie looks so good. Last time I had it, the crust wasn't nearly charred enough, and the cheese all stuck together in a single layer. Ick. Yours looks great though.

Ok, ok. Go to Sal's and Carmine's on B'way bet 101 and 102. These old dudes have been slinging pies for well over 30 years. Old school NY style "neapolitan" slices. Nothing fancy. Delicious sauce made from canned plum tomatoes, salty shredded mozzarella, some olive oil on the best crust in town. They don't deliver and they take cash only. Beats John's, Artichoke, Patsy's hands down. I am extremely biased, since I've been eating this pizza since I was born.

I had Grimaldi's in Phoenix. Ed Levine reviewed them all "A Slice of Heaven" and wrote that the one in Phoenix was better than the NY branches. It was good stuff, but it wouldn't crack the top of what I tasted in New York.

What about Lombardis?

The Grimaldi's in the Dallas area are really awful...overcooked and overseasoned to death, no spring in the cornicone at all. But they are part of the chain and not the real Grimaldi's under the bridge.

The original Grimaldi's under the bridge isn't that great either, as has been well documented on this site. They have been very inconsistent for years and Lance's time was better spent at the places he chose (at least in my humble opinion). John's is the only sober visit I might not have bothered with.

I have to nominate jriley's detroit comment for the comment hall of fame or some such comment commendation.

Canerosso - I just had my first Grimaldi's in Dallas... just got a plain pie with extra slices of fresh tomato, and it was very good... maybe you just went on a bad night?

Thanks for the shout-out to Jersey pizza (kinda).

Kudos to you, Lance, on a terrific trip and article detailing it. Hope you get here more often.

One thing seems very clear following your synopsis as well as Dan Z's breakdown: Artichoke has to step up its game pronto or it is going to find itself among the Isabella's of this cutthroat pizza town! If out-of-towners are hating and your line out the door is 90% hipsters, it may be time to put more effort into your plain pie and not worry so much about the crustacean specialty slices....

I always think carmine's on graham avenue in brooklyn should be on these lists. their lasagna slice is the best.

why does pizza in NY taste different than anywhere else? my Mom says it's the same reason NY bagels taste the best: they use nasty water from the east river to make 'em.

that's my story and i'm sticking to it!

@jimbojones - I've tried the West Village one three times and found it very very ordinary. Way too much seasoning in sauce and toppings, meatballs tasted like commissary food, cheese was dried out, no effort put into the crust. Seems like it was there as a topping delivery vehicle only. NY Style is not my favorite (prefer Neapolitan), but I think Coal Vines does it much better. New Grimaldis just opened in Allen so I will try them too...

Also - the UPN pizzas look fantastic

@DJ Bubbles: There appears to be a "Slice Curse": Get awesome kudos on Slice early, go downhill fast. Artichoke may be the latest victim.

AK, I think you may be onto something here and I'm not sure what to make of it. Perhaps we should refrain from making any proclamations regarding new pizzerias and let them find their own way.

But, then again, we wouldn't really be doing our job. Hey, its not our fault that Isabella's pimp pizzaoli, Luigi, had to return to Naples (for Cosa Nostra meetings or otherwise) and they immediately saw a decline in quality. And we're not to blame for Artichoke's inconsistent and overtopped pies, either!

I'm grabbing my pen and pad....I've got an article to write!

Lance,I am so jealous...im dyin here with you eatin' pizza that has to always be qualified with,"it's good for LA... " it seems like your tour da pizza should hold you for a couple of weeks anyway...Ive been back to Joe's here a couple of times since you commented and i've already been disappointed with the pies i've had on return visits...I'll be posting a review of Vito's soon..

I'll share my favorite NYC pizza! I've had it twice now and it's a little place in Chelsea Market; I can't remember the name at all, but it's a tiny little place, right next to the fish store, and I believe it's some sort of meat shop. But the pizza... the slices are HUGE, they've got just the right amount of grease (if you're a NYC style pizza fan, you'll understand what I mean), and the crust is the right balance of just-thin-enough and chewy. The cheese and sauce are perfect and the peperonni's are huge and garlicy. If anyone knows the name of this place, please share - I'd love to give them credit for their perfect pizza!

@TaratheFoodie: We will investigate ASAP. Thx for the tip!

Don't know how you passed up Joe and Pat's, on Staten Island...

http://www.eatingintranslation.com/2008/03/joe-pats.html

...unless you didn't have time, during your brief visit, to hop the ferry and a bus. You certainly had your fill though: Seven pizzerias and Peter Luger, too!

@LA Pizza Maven: I'm glad someone can feel my pain, but I'm sorry it has to be you. At least we don't have any humidity. I'm interested to hear your thoughts on Vito's, they've been a little better for me recently, but I think the sauce is a little watery.

To those who were kind enough to share your favorites: Thank you. I'm already making a list for round 2.

Finally, thanks for the tenth time to Adam for The Slice.

I agree entirely with your reviews. Finally someone from LA ackowledges NY's pizza supremacy. Now we have to get Chicago to kneel. Haven't been to Lucali's yet but I'd substitute Diforno's for Franny's and Lombardi's for Artichoke.

Simon: I agree Sal & Carmine's is an excellent slice joint, but don't think you can put it in the same league as DiFara.

Re Grimaldi's, I was at the Brooklyn spot a month ago for the first time in years and the pizza was just as fine as I remembered from when it was still called Patsy's. Maybe there was a bad spell in there that I missed, but I recommend folks give it another try if they haven't been lately. Tip: you can save yourselves an hour wait by ordering to go and sitting out on the pier.

Way to give Toarminas a shout. I'm jealous of the NY pizza tour.

I think the pizza tourist deserves a bit of a break. That's a pretty good selection (some involve real lines) in such a short period of time.

What on earth is going on with Lucali's crust?! I have been there a few times and have definitely witnessed a bit of tweaking here and there with the crust's texture, size and thickness. But I've never seen the likes of that monster band of crust in that pic! I never would have guessed that pie came from Lucali's. I hope Iacono rethinks that iteration asap.

a lot of people think that Lucali's is super pretentious because it's one man cooking and thus a lot of people have to wait for their pie. but i for one, appreciate the care this ONE man takes to make a good pie for me. there is something special about having to wait for your meal.

@Nancy -- I had the same question when I saw that Lucali's pie. I've never been there and I was worried that the island of sauce and cheese in a sea of crust was the norm..good to hear that isn't the case (hoping that it isn't their new way of doing things).

@kqrbob: I haven't tried DiFara yet, so wasn't comparing Sal's to theirs. I wasn't going to name names, but I do think Sal's is better than John's, Totonno's and Patsy's. Haven't tried Artichoke and from what I've read, I don't really want to. I'm most curious about UPN and DiF, despite the review by GCI which fills me with apprehension, viz the long lines, hipsters, chaotic ordering, and ridiculous waits. Smoke and trash don't bother me so much.

Adam - cool! Let me know if you figure out what the name of that place is! I can't wait to go back!

Sooooooo not impressed by Franny's
at all.
ever.
never.
Lifer Brooklynite(grew up in Gravesend and not living in Marine Park w/ the gf) Turned off by hipster scum. Strike 1
Neo-Italian faux cool menu
Strike 2
Food being overpriced and not that good PLUS small portions to boot
Strike 3
UPN is awesome been there alot. Grimaldis same deal.
Artichoke is wack. They can artichoke on my bawls.

@weinermobile: Have to agree - nix Franny's from the list for all the reasons you mention. And maybe it's me, but I find unsliced pizza a tad inconvenient to eat, especially with a full table of steak knife wielding hungry people. My pie almost ended up on the floor. Better to replace it with Grimaldi's as someone else mentioned, or ever Fornino in Williamsburg.

I'm OK with the pizza at Franny's but I find the place insufferable. They take themselves WAY too seriously. I also think that while it's fine to serve a variety of over-hopped local and/or specialty beers, if a place specializes in pizza they should have at least one lager or pilsner. It doesn't need to be an American pilsner (though that is what I prefer with pizza..thirst quenching and doesn't interfere with the flavors), Urquell or something along those lines would work. Maybe I just had bad timing with the selection, I haven't been back in two years..like I said, I find it insufferable.

i have to agree with the assessment of artichoke after being told about it by half a dozen different people. i was seriously unimpressed, and if i hadn't been so hungry and waited so long to get my slice i might have tossed it after a couple of bites.

Great list, Thanks for the report. I would have to add L& B's to that list for the squares, of course.
Im coming home to Ny in a couple of weeks and only have a couple of days so I really need to focus on a couple of places. The folks Im with probably wont stand a breakfast, lunch, and dinner excursion but I sure could. Explaining a one hour each way subway ride to diFaras, changing trains to hit L& B with a stop at Totonnos in between is going to be a challenge. I really need to focus on two or three places. Im thinking DiFaras #1 and then two in the city. Patsys?, Johns? or Sal and Carmines? How does that sound for an abbreviated Pizza Tour?

Brooklyn has the original Goodfellas. Anything in that restaurant is worth the trip. Manhattan? A little, tiny place that is always packed: Patzeria on 46th between Broadway & 8th.

I lived in NY all my life, then moved to Phoenix some years ago. There is NO substitute for NY pizza, but there are some pretty good runners-up. Pizzeria Bianco being a prime example. However, we have Grimaldi's now and I will tell you that pizza frozen from a box is better! Grimaldi's pizza is like tomato sauce on a wheat thin cracker. No give to the "crust", no oil, it BREAKS when you bite it! There is another pizza joint in Scottsdale which never gets any mention, too few know it's there, but it has true NY style pizza, so put this one down on your list to try: Joe's New York Pizza. The oil runs down your arm, the sauce is great and the cheese needs a sissor to detatch it from your mouth! And they even sell slices!

The crust on that UPN white pie look amazing. Simply f**king amazing. R.I.P UPN. I can hardly wait for the resurection on 10/10.

Ciao,

Paulie Gee

Ah, but will Magieri be firing up his own sourdough 2 day dough or be using the Palumbino dough?

....that's what we wonder, yes

@Pblogger since The Tatooed Uber-Pizzaiolo's dough does not require refrigeration, he can probably just bring it with him.

Ciao,

Paulie Gee

2 days overall, yes, but AM only requires 12 hours of actual 'rental' @ the new motorino. So I'd imagine it'd be the same as you remember...you lucky b**t*rds.
FP

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