First Taste: A Pizza Preview of Jim Lahey's Upcoming Pizzeria, Co.
Co.
230 Ninth Avenue, New York NY 10001 (at West 24th Street; map)
The Skinny: Actual round pizza from Jim Lahey, the bread man behind Sullivan Street Bakery (as opposed to his Roman-style flatbread pizzas found at the bakery). And, oh, it is awesome
Pizza Style: A sort of Neapolitan–New York-style hybrid
Oven Type: Earthstone gas oven; Lahey may burn a couple logs of wood or add wood chips to aromatize the crust
Opening: Target open date is Tuesday, December 2, but Lahey says, "realistically the 5th or the 9th"
Related: Update on Jim Lahey's Co., Co. Is 'Pizza Hut Meets Blue Hill'
Wednesday, about 5 p.m., Ed Levine here in the Slice–Serious Eats office was like, "So, who's going to Co. with me to shoot the tasting?"
"Um, what tasting," I asked.
"I told everybody about it. In the group chat on IM."
"Uh, no you didn't."
Long story short, I volunteered myself to trail Ed to some sort of preopening oven test and tasting at Jim Lahey's upcoming pizzeria on Ninth Avenue and 24th Street. (Lahey and company have a target opening date of December 2, but, Lahey says, "Realistically, it's more like December 5 or 9.")
We arrived, and it turned out Ed had scored some sort of super invite, because it appeared to be a tasting primarily for Lahey's investor, Phil Suarez. I felt like I had crashed an intimate gathering, but the company was welcoming, and pretty soon everyone was concentrating on the food coming from the kitchen, anyway.
Below are some photos, along with some thoughts. But before I get into it, I have to say that as I was writing this post, I called Lahey to get some follow-up details, and he told me to just come over and fire away as he was experimenting with some new pies. So the set below mixes Wednesday and Friday evening. Just go with my flow, peeps. Mega pizza porn, after the jump.
The Oven
Lahey is using a gas-fired Earthstone oven. He says he may put a couple pieces of wood in it or use wood chips to aromatize the pies. (Aromatize the pies. Poet but didn't know it.)
Co.'s Company Rules
- The bread matters
- Freshness (no old mise/misse/mies)
- Quality
- Consistency—properly trained
- Thought out
- Simple
And, yes, that's a Raytek infrared gun-style thermometer on the make table.
The Domenico
The first pie to come out of the oven Wednesday night was what Lahey called the Domenico. On my subsequent visit Friday afternoon, he had shortened it simply to "The Dom." It's an homage to, you guessed it, Dom DeMarco of Di Fara.
It's basically tomato sauce, buffalo mozzarella, and just enough pecorino Romano, though on Friday, Lahey mentioned keeping 36-month grana padano around.
Before rabid Di Fara-heads pile on, let me say that this pie is an homage to Dom. Not a straight-up attempt at cloning. As such, it was pretty much a Margherita pie with some added tang from the pecorino. Another difference between it and the Margherita was that it was a little more cheese-heavy than the Marg.
Margherita
Here's Wednesday night's Margherita pie. I didn't get an upskirt of this one, but hold your breath a bit while you scroll, because I've got a crust reveal of one of the Friday afternoon Margs below, taken after watching Lahey build about three pies with varying sauce and cheese ratios. Here's a step-by-step of a Margherita build-up:
Stretching the dough—an obvious first step. After which Lahey flours the pizza peel and then sprinkles on a bit of salt with the flour, something I'd never seen any other pizzaiolo do.
Saucing the dough. The sauce layer was pretty sparse on this first one, but he was experimenting with different amounts of the red stuff to find the right balance.

Lahey adds the cheese. They're using buffalo mozzarella, sourced from Italy, but they haven't settled on one particular source yet.

And, of course, basil makes the Margherita complete.
Here's one of those bad boys about 10 seconds out of the oven.
I promised it, and now I deliver: There's the upskirt on that bad boy.
The Hunter
The Hunter, in the kitchen.
When Lahey brought this one out of the kitchen on Wednesday, he called this one the "boscaiolo," Italian for forester or hunter. It's a pie made from things a forester might pick up while out in the woods. As served, this one had mushrooms, sausage, and onion. Which just happens to be very near my favorite combo (sausage and onion).
The Hunter, on the table.
The Popeye

The Popeye needs no explanation. Strong to the finish, folks. Strong to the finish.
Other Pies Not Pictured
There was a pie Lahey's calling the Ham and Cheese—topped with fontina and then prosciutto thrown on immediately after the pie comes out of the oven, which serves to warm the meat just enough. We sampled two versions on Wednesday, the more interesting one with a few caraway seeds scattered on the dough to give it some aromatic pop while eating. I hope the caraway version shows up on the menu rather than the noncaraway version.
On Friday, I watched an experimental pie being born. It was awesome (can you say Kentucky bacon?) and would probably have purists scratching their heads, but it really worked. Unfortunately, Lahey went off record with this one, so I cannot tell you more than bacon! at this time.
Toasts
In addition to pizza, the menu will also feature "toasts." If you want to get all Italiano, you could call them bruschetta. This pinto bean toast was my favorite (we also tasted a tomato-topped toast, but as tomatoes aren't in season, it may not find its way on to the menu come opening day). Flavored with peperoncini, it has a subtle heat that cuts the slight sweetness of the beans. Lahey adds the slightest bit of anchovy to the mix to give it some salt—but fear not, anchovy haters, you'd never know the little fish had any part in this bruschetta.
And of course the base is from Sullivan Street Bakery, so you're already starting with some of the best bread in the city.
Yeah, Yeah, Pretty Pictures. But How Did It Taste?
The pies on Wednesday night were amazing. Lahey is a bread genius, and as the crust is the hardest part of pizza to perfect, we're already in good hands. The hole structure was beautiful, giving the end crust a crisp, chewy puffiness that would compel even crust-haters to finish an entire slice. There was ample flavor here, thanks to a dough that was left to rise 24 hours, developing a yeasty tang. The crust was crisp and chewy, but did not suffer from overchewiness. You know how some pizza crusts are too chewy and give you a jaw ache? Not happening here. There was minimal tip sag on any of these pies.
Friday's pies were made using a younger dough, so the flavor wasn't as assertive, but they were just short of pizza nirvana and would still blow away many of the best pies you've had.
One of my favorites was the Hunter, which featured the same peperoncino used in the pinto-bean toast, giving it a little bit of a kick that started slow but never overwhelmed the other flavors in the mix. In fact, Lahey said on Friday, much of the menu will make use of the chiles to greater or lesser extent.
I liked the Dom for its use of the salty, tangy pecorino and would probably opt for that over the Margherita.
The nice thing, though, is that the pies are small—about 12 inches in diameter—so if you go with a group of three or four people, you can order different pizzas and share, easily getting a taste of many of the pies.
The menu is not yet set, though it seemed pretty certain that the Dom, the Hunter, the Margherita, and the Popeye would be on it, along with a basic Marinara pie.
Compared to pizzas of similar size and style, I'd say Lahey's making a pie that's more Franny's than Una Pizza Napoletana, but it's easily in that league of awesome. There's more crispness to the crust than you'll find at UPN, but the pizzas seem less fussy than those at Franny's.
My prediction is that the place will be packed. Good thing that it's only a couple blocks from the Slice–Serious Eats office, so I can get there early.
The Dining Room
I usually don't get too into interior design crap on Slice because, really, who cares? But since I had unusual access, I snapped some dining room porn for you. And, at the bottom of this post, there's the entire set of photos in a slide, with some bonus outtakes for you.

The dining room is all clean lines and warm wood. Though minimalist and spare, it has a welcoming feeling. There are 54 seats.

There are two communal tables with 12 seats each and a banquette of two-tops flanked by two round six-top tables.

The bar. It's got a marble top and, at the time of this photo, one tap for beer. There's an espresso machine on the back bar.
Miscellanea

This rabbit lamp sits in the windowsill of the kitchen, for now. "We found it in the basement," Lahey said. "It's the only thing we kept from what was in here before. I guess we should give it a name."
The expediter's view into the dining room.
Other Restaurants Nearby
Txikito, two doors up
Grand Sichuan International, across the street
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47 Comments:
I think that's my favorite pizza upskirt ever. Can't wait to taste these pies for myself.
Alaina Browne at 1:03AM on 11/22/08
Omg omg omg omg...I want it all.
YOUR PHOTOS ARE AWESOME! :)
roboppy at 1:24AM on 11/22/08
@Alaina Browne: Yes. It's my fave upskirt, too. He started doing the dough-tossing in the background so I'd catch that in there.
@Robyn: Thanks for the props. Though I think you're only saying that b/c I was showboatin' about "awesome photos" in the office. They're still nowhere near yrs!
Adam Kuban at 1:31AM on 11/22/08
@Adam That's got to be your best post ever. Great details A to Z. Visual and otherwise. There's far too much to comment on. That crust looks very good. Especially considering it came out of an Earthstone gas oven. I like the way he dresses his pies and sizes them. Your point is excellent about being able to sample more of the combos with a smaller pies. It's definitely the way to go. Especially if his pies will cost less than $21. I'm sorry to see him tossing the dough though. Hopefully that's just a joke. Real pizzaiolos don't toss no dough.
Ciao,
Paulie Gee
pauliegee at 9:03AM on 11/22/08
You had me at Domenico! And I agree with Robyn--your photos are AWESOME! Do you know if Jim plans to work the oven every night in the tradition of other great pizzaiolos or will he have others helping as well?
homesicktexan at 10:27AM on 11/22/08
haha woooo.
Prairie at 10:40AM on 11/22/08
The interior design is beautiful in this place. I see organic wood and tile. I see blond wood which is upbeat for these downbeat dismal times with even Citibank taking a dive and all the layoffs in the financial sector
If this was my place I bring in an Irish group on the weekends to play some upbeat music. Polka and klezmer too. Roll out the barrel, baby and the pizza too
gaffer at 11:32AM on 11/22/08
@gaffer Pass the kielbasa pizza.
Ciao,
Paulie Gee
pauliegee at 11:58AM on 11/22/08
Oh man, this looks amazing. Your photos and review have got me chomping at the bit!
And I love the rabbit lamp.
Laurel E at 12:13PM on 11/22/08
"I'm sorry to see him tossing the dough though. Hopefully that's just a joke. Real pizzaiolos don't toss no dough. "
Could someone explain this comment? Why is "dough throwing" frowned upon? Why is it not an accepted way to stretch the dough? Any resources on the subject?
thanks,
tone
http://tonecapo.com
tonecapo at 1:01PM on 11/22/08
this looks awesome! and he's such a cool guy that you're glad that he's now doing pizza
foodinmouth at 1:52PM on 11/22/08
holler. love crisp and chewy and yeasty. how would you rank it again against motorino? i went twice and was left craving the yeast and crispiness...
ninalalli at 3:43PM on 11/22/08
@ninalalli: Better than Motorino. And more inventive toppings, if what I've seen holds and makes it on the opening menu.
Adam Kuban at 3:47PM on 11/22/08
I'm a little surprised at how sparse the toppings are given how generous he is with them at Sullivan Street, but there is no doubt in my mind that Co is going have some high quality pizza.
A couple of questions. First, is he bringing any of the toppings from Sullivant Street to Co? Second, will bombolonis be available for dessert?
Daniel Zemans at 5:01PM on 11/22/08
@tonecapo Really good pizza dough is moist and delicate and tossing the dough will destroy those bubbles that makes the dough light and airy. For a good example go on youtube and check out the clip when Chris Bianco was on the Jimmy Kimmel Show. You never see him, Anthony Mangieri, Mark Icono or Dom DeMsrco toss their dough. It's all show.
@adam I beg to differ on Motorino's toppings vs Co. From what I've seen in your post, Mathieu's toppings are definitely more imaginative. And his cured meat topping are the of the highest quality. The Berkshire proscuitto is a prrfect example.
Ciao,
Paulie Gee
pauliegee at 5:23PM on 11/22/08
@everyone with questions: I'll collect these and try to contact Lahey & company on Monday with follow-ups.
@paulie: you're right. Motorino does have some imaginative toppings. I spoke in haste above. I think what I like more about the Co. pies was the crispness and tangy flavor of the crust.
Adam Kuban at 5:26PM on 11/22/08
Amaazzzing post!!! Am currently slobbering all over my computer oogling that upskirt! :D
Kathy YL Chan at 7:54PM on 11/22/08
Cannot wait to try it! Seems amazing. Great post.
Before Sunrise at 8:13PM on 11/22/08
Could someone explain this comment? Why is "dough throwing" frowned upon? Why is it not an accepted way to stretch the dough? Any resources on the subject?
Classy pizza is often made in the Neapolitan tradition with soft doughs made from 00 (often Caputo) flour. It's too soft and delicate to go airborne. New York style pizza is made with harder grains that withstand more rough handling. We all know that there are superior NY styles pies, but the snob vote goes to the wood fired Neapolitans.
d_m_u_n at 9:40PM on 11/22/08
Hello? How about a holla for the rabbit lamp?!
I mean kudos for the dough structure, that is huge. But keeping the rabbit lamp and all the odd whimsy therein? They get MANY extra points...
ohiogal at 10:31PM on 11/22/08
"We all know that there are superior NY styles pies, but the snob vote goes to the wood fired Neapolitans."
What I know is that tonight my snobby, right out of my wood oven, too soft to toss crust tasted better than any NY style pie I've ever had. No matter how much it's been tossed.
Ciao,
Paulie Gee
pauliegee at 11:38PM on 11/22/08
I've been adding salt to the flour on my peel for years. It's nice to see someone else do it. My husband thought I was nuts the first time he saw me do it--snide remarks about taking my salt obsession to a new high, but he likes it better with rather than without. Now if my oven would just go higher than 550...
dhorst at 4:31PM on 11/23/08
Very exciting! Seems like it's taken longer than Chinese Democracy to get this place up. I hope I hope I hope it's worth the wait.
missginsu at 6:15PM on 11/24/08
@missginsu: I don't recall seeing Dr Pepper among the drink choices. So no free can for anyone upon opening.
Adam Kuban at 6:20PM on 11/24/08
Do the snobs also agree that no good pizza can come from dough thats been thrown?
tonecapo at 8:39PM on 11/24/08
I, for one, do not agree with the no toss rule. Any good pizzaiolo knows his dough as does Lahey. If it needs a little help to relax (aka toss) then so be it. Sorry but the dough is the vital ingedient here & there are no rules on how to 'handle' or not handle the dough since the factors that make the dough are so complex.
Kim Nyland at 11:15PM on 11/25/08
Those pies look fantastic btw......Adam ...how long were they in the oven?
Kim Nyland at 11:17PM on 11/25/08
one of the most annoying sentences I've ever written...sorry all.
Kim Nyland at 12:05AM on 11/26/08
@Kim: Agreed. I asked Lahey about dough-tossing, and he pretty much said what you did -- that it just depends on what the dough's like. He said he has fun doing it, but I got the feeling that he was doing it mostly for fun here and for the camera. The pies were in the oven around 2.5 to 3 minutes. The oven was running around 680°F or so on the oven floor while I was there.
Adam Kuban at 12:39AM on 11/26/08
I just hope that I can get my Neapolitan fix in NYC instead of having to fly to Phoenix to visit Pizzeria Bianco.
arturo at 1:22PM on 11/26/08
Oh, this is too cool. First off, I love me some Lahey. What a righteous dude.
Secondly, toss, don't toss, don't care! He's the King of Yeastyland and he can do pretty much anything with bread and it'd be a-okay with me.
Thirdly?
Nice. Upskirt.
missbhavens at 8:14PM on 11/28/08
I hope he ends up putting a little more sauce on the saucy ones. The application seems a bit sparse.
JustNancy at 1:42PM on 12/01/08
I'm sorry, but Adam this just isn't fair. I just got so hungry looking at this post that I might have to dig into the cookies I am saving for tomorrow!!!
Linnea Covington at 11:53PM on 12/01/08
Hey, sorry if I'm missing some kind of previous context on this blog, but I'm wondering why exactly you're using a term for a form of sexual assault ("upskirt" shots) to talk about pizza. Kind of grating.
amadaun at 6:41PM on 12/02/08
@amadaun: http://slice.seriouseats.com/archives/2006/12/the_pizza_upskirt_toward_a_new_pizza_lexicon.html
Adam Kuban at 6:47PM on 12/02/08
My goodness!!! I am so hungry for pizza right now. I wish I lived closer.
JeffM at 9:13AM on 12/03/08
"I've been adding salt to the flour on my peel for years. It's nice to see someone else do it."
Why do you salt the peel? Just to add flavor to the crust? Also I find I get stuck on the peel when using flour. I usually add cornmeal to the peel since it makes the pizza slide off easier. Is this a sin in pizza snob world?
JeffM at 9:28AM on 12/03/08
Go ahead, call me a snob if you must. I'm just enthusiastic about quality pizza. I didn't mean to give anyone the impression I only like Napoletana style pizza. These days my favorite pie may very well be Lucali's, which is not Naples style at all. And I love the slices at New Park and the squares at L&B. As far as cornmeal goes, I tried it once and just don't like the taste it leaves on the crust. I've been using the same fine "00" flour I use in my dough to dust my peel and I rarely have it stick if I also dust the ball before placing it on the peel. When it does, 9 out of 10 times I can easily free it up with a trick I learned a while ago. Rather than explain it, I'll direct you to the Jimmy Kimmel Live Chris Bianco segment that can be found on youtube. Someone taught him the same trick because he utilzes it prior to placing his pie in the oven. Sorry I can't produce a link at the moment.
Ciao,
Paulie Gee
pauliegee at 11:25AM on 12/03/08
Didn't mean snob in a bad way and I appreciate the enthusiasm. Sorry if that came off wrong.
I will try the flour again. Also what about the salt? Is it for flavor or does it assist in sliding the crust off as well?
JeffM at 11:36AM on 12/03/08
Here is the link you mentioned:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tz1g1KSiqCU
JeffM at 11:44AM on 12/03/08
@JeffM: The salt was more about flavor than slide. If you flour the peel, lay your already-stretched-out dough on it, and build your pizza quickly, the pie should slide off easily. You can test "slide" by sort of shimmying the peel gently with the built-up pie on it. A little shakin' usually dislodges any of the spots of dough that have stuck during build-up.
Adam Kuban at 11:46AM on 12/03/08
@Adam You can also spot CB doin' that shimmy-shake on the Jimmy Kimmel video as well.
@JeffM Thanks for posting that link. I can't get to it on my PDA.
BTW, are there any thoughts about a Slice Mobile like there is for SE? How about the ability to enter comments on the Mobile version? I couldn't seem to find a way on SE Mobile.
Ciao,
Paulie Gee
pauliegee at 12:31PM on 12/03/08
Being new here are there any tutorials on how to make the perfect pizza crust?
I usually make my own but they can be a bit tough as I seem to be overworking them. They also lack any good hole structure. I guess I work em a bit too hard.
This being said any good tutorials around?
JeffM at 1:17PM on 12/03/08
You might want to check out Perter Reinhart's American Pie. There are numerous pizza dough recipes as well as lots of information regarding pizza in various locations thought the country and Italy. I believe his Naoletsna recipe is posted online somewhere If you really want your head to spin, check out www.pizzamaking.com . There are lots of folk who have posted recipes, but be prepared for numerous hydration and fermentation formulas. I have found it difficult to sort out. Sometime less is better. For a really good hole structure with complex taste, you'll probably need to turn to using a starter or a sourdough process. I'd wish you luck but luck have nothing to do with it. Just ask Louie P.
Ciao,
Paulie Gee
pauliegee at 1:39PM on 12/03/08
@JeffM: One thing that Slice is shamefully lean on is at-home pizzamaking. That's pretty much because when I do make pizza at home, I don't want to futz with documentation (and get my camera all flour-y and greasy). That said, I did follow Peter Reinhart's recipe for Neapolitan dough, and it worked out well: http://slice.seriouseats.com/archives/2008/03/making-pizza-at-home.html
You can find that dough recipe here: http://www.101cookbooks.com/archives/001199.html
And Paulie Gee is right: pizzamaking.com is an amazing resource and will make your head spin. Aspiring pizza-maker, meet the rabbit hole.
Adam Kuban at 1:48PM on 12/03/08
Thank you everyone!
JeffM at 3:19PM on 12/03/08
Will they be offering delivery?
jamieforrest at 12:04PM on 12/04/08