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Sal and Carmine's: A Post-Sal Pilgrimage

"His slices were so good that they didn't have to deliver."

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The other night I started thinking about Sal and Carmine's. Adam reported on Sal's untimely death, but somehow I feel the only true way to pay one's respects to a pieman (and Sal was one of the all-time great piemen) is to have one of his pies.

So last Friday I left the Slice–Serious Eats office around 7 p.m. and took the 2 Train to 96th Street and Broadway. I know I could have taken the local one more stop and ended up a couple of blocks closer, but I wanted to start my homage to Sal by acknowledging the location of the original Sal's Pizzeria on 95th and Broadway, where my love affair with Sal Malanga's pizza began in 1973.

Sal and his brother Carmine opened the original Sal's in 1959, three blocks from my first New York apartment. I was making $111 a week working for the Department of Cultural Affairs in the New York City Parks Department, and though Sal's slices were 25¢ more than every other pizzeria's, it quickly became my go-to slice. How could it not? Sal's slightly bready crust was crisp on the outside and tender on the inside. Therein lies the magic about Sal and Carmine's crust: It never gets hard, no matter how long it's been out of the oven. The sauce was slightly seasoned (maybe it was canned pizza sauce—no matter), and the aged mozzarella they used had just the right touch of salt.

Once you had a Sal's slice you could accept no other. They were magical, more workmanlike and less idiosyncratic than Di Fara, but no less artful and satisfying. That's it, now that I think about it: Sal's slices were just so damn satisfying. And you didn't need a finely honed pizza aesthetic to know that. One bite was all it took. That was the way it was then, and you know what? That's the way it is now.

All these memories came flooding back as I walked up Broadway to 101st Street. I called to order my half-plain, half-sausage well-done pie. Sal's grandson Luciano Gaudiosi answered the phone: "Sal's." A quiet tribute to his grandfather, perhaps? Who knows. "Ten or 15 minutes," he said and hung up. Another Sal and Carmine's trademark: No name and no phone number necessary.

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I walked in and saw Luciano manning the oven. I told him what I had ordered over the phone. I told him how sorry I was to hear about Sal. I introduced myself. Luciano responded, "Oh yeah, you're the one who didn't like the canned mushrooms." I was crestfallen. Here I was trying to pay my respects, and the only thing Luciano remembers is that I criticized his grandfather's use of canned mushrooms. I told him, "I loved Sal's pizza, except for those mushrooms."

"That's all right," he reassured me. He gestured toward the mushrooms: "It's just so much easier to use them."

Sal & Carmine's

2671 Broadway, New York NY 10025 (b/n 101st/102nd; map); 212-663-7651

I asked what had happened to his grandfather. He told me Sal had woken up in the days before he passed away, complaining about his back hurting, perhaps from sleeping wrong. He had gone to the hospital at his grandson's insistence, though he really wanted to come into work and make pizza. Sal couldn't stand being at the hospital, so he checked himself out.

A few days later Sal was readmitted to the hospital. His kidneys were failing. He was waiting to begin dialysis when his kidney failure led to cardiac arrest. Luciano told me this, obviously trying to rein in his emotions. "He was a good man," Luciano acknowledged with more than a touch of pride and love in his voice.

I told him that his grandfather had left his mark on the New York pizza landscape. His slices, I told him, were so good that they didn't have to deliver (Luciano told me there was a period of time, from 1959 to 1967, when Sal's did in fact deliver.) His pizza was so good that I used to pay the late charges to Hertz just to keep the car an hour longer to pick up a pie.

He smiled slightly. I think he knows that his grandfather was one of the last of the great New York City slice-pie men. I'm sure that's one of the reasons he's making pizza himself.

I hailed a cab to take my pizza home. My son, Will, was watching the Mets-Yankees game. We each put a slice on a plate and took a bite. "This is such good pizza," Will said. I had to agree. So satisfying, so seriously delicious, and so Sal. Sal would have been proud.

Luciano, along with Carmine, are doing everything Sal's way, the right way, the only way.

16 Comments:

Nicely done, thank you Ed.

Lovely article Ed.

Way to go Ed. Beautiful piece and a fitting tribute to the great pizza master that was Sal. My all time favorite slice, I was lucky to have it be four blocks from my childhood home. RIP Sal; keep going strong Sal and Carmine's!

Thanks Ed. Like you, I would pass about 10-15 pie joints on the way from my apartment just to get one from Sal. Despite the ordinary ingredients, it was an extraordinary slice!

Sal and Carmine's were my first NY slices when I moved here 14 years ago, and even after all these years they're still my favorite slices. Thanks, Ed. Sal will be missed.

A well deserved tribute...Reminds me of a couple of great, old school, neighborhood pizzerias I grew up with in the Bronx, Paradise Pizza on the Grand Concourse and Burnside Pizza. The crusts were, likewise, the key to the pizza's delectability. I'm sure they used what is referred to as "pizza cheese," those small, curly cheese pieces that virtually every NY pizzeria once used. (Hm, I wonder where they all got the same cheese, and why?) And the sauce may even have been a slightly spiced, canned product, but the crust always crunched when you folded it, and the first bite always led into a perfectly chewy foundation topped by a perfect balance of cheese and sauce. I know other long time NYers will attest to this memory not merely being the result of the rose colored haze of decades past. To Sal, Carmine and all the other NY pizzaioli who,day after day, took pride in the pizza they made. Thank God there are still a few individuals out there with the same unwavering commitment.

Nicely written except one thing: canned mushrooms are so much better suited to pizza than fresh, it's no wonder he remembered you for not liking them ;)

Here I am in California, drooling over the picture of your pie. Haven't had one like that since I left Connecticut in 68. What a wonderful tribute to Sal. I'll be at JFK in October, any good slices in the airport?!?!

Not that I know of. Just a local New York chain that won't impress you at all and maybe a California Pizza Kitchen.

When I moved to NYC in 1999, I was 20, broke and sharing an illegal sublet two blocks from Sal & Carmines, where I ate late dinners at least twice a week. Besides the great pizza, I appreciated the no nonsense vibe of Sal & Carmine - they never tried to talk to me beyond getting my order and then left me alone. They made me feel like I could be a real new yorker.

That is just a beautiful pie.

No further comment is necessary.

That's a really wonderful tribute... I will have to make a point to go up there and try it. Thank you.

Nice story. I had the good fortune to live near Sal and Carmine's in the early 60's, and then to rediscover it with my kids (now themselves S&C loyalists) at new location in the 90's. It's still the best pizza bar none I've ever had, to my mind best appreciated when eaten plain. Contrary to what was suggested in a previous comment on this site, neither Sal nor Carmine was at all surly or grouchy, merely businesslike and not particularly given to chatting up customers. When our niece was starting a pizza place here in Vermont, they were both very helpful, taking an interest and offering advice and suggestions. We got the full story of how they were run out of the 95th Street building. But I never knew that they were brothers, or that Luciano was Sal's grandson. Thanks for all this Sal and Carmine's lore--it's wonderful to hear.

Oh indeed. I did the same thing the week after Sal's passing, heading up to the UWS from Williamsburg and buying a whole pie to take back home for my friends, who were too busy/lazy/skeptical to make the trip up and try a slice for themselves. Carmine gave me a fresh pie out of the oven minutes after I'd paid. I carried it, tied up in candystripe, onto the 3 train and then onto the L, attracting more stares than I've ever gotten in my life - just imagine someone balancing a hot pie on one hand while maneuvering through the commuter crowd during rush hour.

I reheated the slices for my friends on a cookie sheet until the cheese was just starting to burn. We had them with a few beers. I made believers out of everyone that night.

Great story, Ed!

PS: Wrote my own tribute to S&C here!

Thanks for this review. I just moved to Morningside Heights this week and had an itch for pizza tonight. Sal and Carmine's, here we come!

Didn't find this story until now, but if you're still checking the comments, Ed, you did a fabulous job with this. Very nice tribute to a true culinary genius. I lived in NYC for several years starting in 2000. A friend of mine at the time, an Upper West Side native, took me to Sal and Carmine's. I, being from California, believed all NY pizza was good and anything that said "Ray's" was the best. Oh how wrong I was! I didn't get around to all the city's pizza places, but my first cheese slice from Sal and Carmine's remains one of the most memorable eating experiences of my life.

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